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No not at all. I am not religious at all. Maybe I wasn’t making my point clearly. I was just saying there are many ways to meditate. Transcending thoughts is not only way as expressed in this post. I don’t agree fully. What’s the Stitch-Admit-it-now-Working-at-Sonic-would-be-Boring-without-Me-Christmas-2023-Shirt-bf65a1-0 also I will do this point of observing unskillful thoughts and not replacing them with skillful ones? Only observing ain’t the answer. (At least in Buddhism and as far as I’m concerned.) When you observe and become aware of detrimental thoughts, the awareness allows you to stop giving them so much energy and diverting it to the things you want to focus on. So, at the very base I think it all begins with observation. You can’t focus on replacing without first observing a need. Yes, it begins with observation. Yet you wrote it’s “all about observing the relationship between you and your thoughts (or feelings, I can’t see it right now). It’s just not “all” about that, IMHO.

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And it’s not really the Stitch-Admit-it-now-Working-at-Sonic-would-be-Boring-without-Me-Christmas-2023-Shirt-bf65a1-0 also I will do this awareness that allows you to stop unskillful thoughts as “awareness” is simply a neutral phenomenon of seeing. It’s about a skillful effort to gently stop them. As someone who has just decided to start meditating, I appreciate this. The more I know what to expect the better prepared I’ll be to deal with it. Thank you! But for sure. Satori is a funny word in etymology alone. Tori is the Japanese famous gate or archeway that lacks a “gate”. It is often if not always, shaped as the “pi” symbol (yes 3.14 or whatever). Satori means instant enlightenment or gaining entry. Gateless gate. So for sure. Enlightenment in all koans is relevant only to the apparent being of which gains entry. A great case example outside of Mahayana Buddhism is the Mabinogi’s own case of Bran the Blessed or Fisher King or King of the Grail Castle. He awaits a turning phrase as the king who gaurds the grail, and a young fool who plays at being a knight asks him sinply;

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